Ingenuity is one of the characteristics of a beaver. Just like then, we use our special analytic AI to obtain the most relevant and mathematically correct data. I'm just hoping that im not going to have to rip out all of my materia day one and remeld cause >.<. This is a notice to all customers who use a Square Enix Software Token (Software Token). Which implies that Ingenuity might be removed because its no longer necessary due to those nerfs. Starting with "A Realm Reborn" and the expansions include "Heavensward", "Stormblood", and "Shadowbringers"! It has since been removed. FFXIV Complete Edition, PS4 - Only $41.97! If crafting rotation would be 100% optimal, how much value would each action contribute? If your crafts is low, this is the way to go and then rely on Maniprudent for quality at no durability cost, but more demanding on CP. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/277959964264235008/404912291436560391/Screenshot_20180122-161641_01.jpg, https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/277959964264235008/404914788662247425/unknown.png, More info in my guide: https://goo.gl/WBuhzb. So with Patient Touch we saved 67 CP and avoided extra RNG. Also, it is much more efficient than Waste Not and replaces it completely, thus freeing another cross class slot. I'm skeptical at 7 stacks (+1 average stack for 6CP more? At 5 stacks it's probably worth it (+1.2 stacks on average for 6CP). A community for fans of Square Enix's popular MMORPG "Final Fantasy XIV Online", also known as FFXIV or FF14. I have managed to locate the bot forum. Unfortunately by this time you will be struggling for CP so it’s very unlikely for this trick to be performed more than once. Nothing you do is unavailble for bots, they can 100% HQ from step1 as well, MaMa + Whistle is just the best opener mathematically, yes as items get trivial you can just IP + PRT them down. This gives you an average stack change of +0.8, which is the same as hasty, but hasty has no CP cost, and losing 4 stacks might just screw you. Quality efficiency received very little penalty. :P. Once we figure out how to craft stuff efficiently and make new macros, everything will be back to normal anyways. Good calculation. (These are approximate values but they are very close.). If they're consistent with the Ala Mighan set it'll be a pain but the min craftsmanship and control should only increase around 13%. ... More Final Fantasy XIV Content. The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. With Manipulation+Prudent, durability loss is minimised, which allows more durability for high efficiency progress actions. I also removed Ingenuity II pre-HW. Furthermore, Quality Assurance trait acquired at level 63 claims to alter these rates, but doesn’t say by how much. The level mod is the core part of Ingenuity. Regarding Ingenuity, the level modifier has been confirmed removed in the current builds, from reversing the screenshot values in the preliminary patch notes to actual math, and calculating the stats on the sample character used. After Stormblood, it has been turned upside down. While it seems that 90% success rate is better than 80%, the extra cost of 5 CP makes a big difference. The underlying issue I have with this post is that it was written with the context of a bot in mind - where time doesn't matter because you're afk anyways, and the strengths of the skills it dismisses lie in their time efficiency. As we approach endgame 70-stars, value of Whistle drops significantly once again. My 100% 1 and 2star macros have either Ingenuity or Ingenuity 2. Even if we use Manipulation II, it still takes 24 CP per 10 Durability. This post is gonna be quite long so if you don't care about crafting math theory, skip to the TL;DR. To start with, it's important to have a basic understanding of how the crafting formulae work, and the data they use to function. It means on average we get a 6% reduction rate. Items that are higher level have less progress and quality gains per skill use. Just remove that symbol from their name. Progress hasn't changed in the screenshots in the notes, but there's no guarantee the later steps won't change. Blacksmiths use CP, which stands for Crafting Points and is similar to MP and TP. Over the past months, we have collected about 500,000 samples of data and managed to reach a rather accurate representation of crafting math. Considering that Steady Hand II must be present for both skills, HT costs 5 CP per step and HT2 costs 10 CP per step. Doing what you do best. The maximum penalty for quality is 50%, and for progress it's 25%. In addition, Maker’s Mark removes the opportunity to use Trained Hand which is the strongest skill Whistle system has to offer. To permanently turn it off type /nastatus off in the chat box. To distinguish between adjustments that are and are not affected by the registration of these expansions, the following notations will be … As you can see, Quality Assurance increases rate of Good condition by 2% on non-star recipes and by 1% on star recipes. "Among creatures born into chaos, a majority will imagine an order, a minority will question the order, and the rest will be pronounced insane." Finally, the change in base stat values for recipe levels. In this turn, players face off against Louisoix Leveilleur, who has been enslaved as the primal Phoenix by Bahamut. The addition of Veneration greatly helped though. This Action was part of a previous release of Final Fantasy XIV. Remove it from your bar when not in use, and remember to reapply it when you start a Housing item. IP/ref's strength is time at the cost of more base hq mats. Hidden level is a property of recipe just like item level is a property of gear. That is, dismissing Whistle/TH for maker's mark purely based on CP efficiency. In order for this skill to be useful on its own, you need a pool of 834+ CP. Additionally, as long as SE seems intent on locking the newest recipes to the specialist system. With the release of the 5.2 preliminary patch notes, there's a lot of misinformation and pointless speculation going around various Discord servers on how this will actually impact crafting. The formulae itself is omitted in this article, but you can see it in [redacted] on monitor tab. There’s a whole lot to say about FFXIV Patch 5.1, even without talking about any of the MSQ. Sometimes Ingenuity II may be even worse than I, because of additional CP cost. Now, for the actual impact of changes, starting with skills: The reason for documenting the way the crafting formulae work is to explain why some of these nerfs and buffs exist. 834 what. Once again, old Careful Synthesis II is twice better in performance that its Stormblood counterpart. In this light, Ingenuity functions like a second Great Strides and becomes an imperative ability to succeed on 70-stars. It will be fun trying to HQ i90 with weaker Ingenuity. Just like in Heavensward, we use the data we collected ourselves and apply certain filters to weed out unreliable samples. Since Muscle Memory benefits the most from this, and to a lesser extent Name Brand, WN1 is particularly good in either openers or at the end of a rotation. Note that it's just the buff, not total progress, so the actual efficiency change is about 33% lower. :c. What sucks is we have no way of knowing until Tuesday. The change to Inner Quiet seems a bit innocuous since the removal of the cap largely depends on your control stat, and future gear sets are more likely to maximise craftsmanship for quick finishers or setup and rely on maniprudent for quality phases. Individual recipes have scale factors that adjust this, both higher and lower. In other words, don't use IP if you aren't a specialist, but you probably knew that already. Now you can drop Hasty Touch and forget it ever existed. So what does it mean when compared to pre-Stormblood rates? Not that you’re wrong of course; anything is preferable to MaMa. Lost actions are a special type of duty action exclusive to the Bozjan southern front. Thy wish is my command! The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. This Action was part of a previous release of Final Fantasy XIV. ...if you just have OCD and aren't really using your min/max stats anyways for it's purpose, you'll just have to deal with it. It's incredibly cp efficient for proc-based crafting. The end effect here is that one stat needs to be notably higher than the other, and craftsmanship is easier to meld. How to … Level modifications are combined together for each star. Patient Touch is an extremely aggressive skill. Opportunity cost vs MaMa's fs spam? It drops from IQ5 to IQ3 but then quickly builds up to IQ7. MaMa and whistle? While crafter level is capped at 70, recipe level keeps growing with each new star added. If you're using the newest set, the overmelds are probably going to be overkill anyways. So neither of them gets replaced. Hasty Touch II contributes 21.5% to average HQ rate. Hey guys so i did it found minimal stats required to hq 70 durability 2star recipes hq from nq materials. [Redacted] will evaluate all possible cases and will adapt to the situation. This makes Patient Touch very useful at the beginning, because penalty is less severe. Some of you may know me, I'm acchan from Teamcraft and I do a lot of the math and code work on the crafting simulator you might know and love. BSM. 60+ step rotation? In terms of efficiency, it results in almost identical output. MaMa's strength is higher CP efficiency, and less quality required, for a relatively stable result (at the expense of time). Like the example used was patient x5? S1, S2). At this point you can reapply Whistle and spam Trained Hand several times. And don’t forget that it needs another Steady Hand II. Everything else is effectively no change. According to our measurements, Initial Preparations reduces CP consumption by 30% with trigger chance about 20%. RIP all those materia I broke melding my facet gear. In addition to this, quality is also affected by recipe level itself. WN2 and Delicate remain highly situational. Both progress and quality have a base formula, a substat mod, and a level mod. Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) you can't use MaMa and IP at the same time, or else it'd be worth it to use IP at the start of anything with huge progress requirements. (Managed to yolo a few crafts hitting Initial Preparations by accident however). Unlike most people, I'm completely calm with the changes. Obviously you open with patient touch. CP cost of Trained Hand was reduced from 32 to 16 and it no longer requires Steady Hand. You can do this 6 times per week, and without doubt, this is the “largest exp for the tiniest effort spent” for this tier of leveling. With the split in how Innovation functions, Manipulation will generally have less back-to-back buffs inside it, so you recover less durability. But accepting the value of a durability being around 25CP makes Hasty competitive, even maybe 4% more efficient. Bring it. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Recipe level 70** converts to hidden level 320. Starting with "A Realm Reborn" and the expansions include "Heavensward", "Stormblood", and "Shadowbringers"! (Waste Not II dictated that you can’t stop to rebuff Steady Hand more than once and you had to ignore Tricks of the Trade.). Progress is still affected by level penalty, but not as much. I took the liberty of making an initial swipe at updating for patch 5.1. TL;DR: crafting formula no change, loss of ingenuity mostly a non-issue, MuMe/WN/Byregot buffed, manip/delicate nerfed, total quality needed reduced, total progress a mystery. I focused more on Control. In most cases, it is better to choose Ingenuity I over Ingenuity II due to lower CP cost. Additional 10% rate is not enough to justify this change. However since this is a bot, the bot doesn't take into account the time spent. It gets along with Patient Touch naturally, because Patient is good in the beginning of synthesis while Prudent gets better towards the end. It was changed last patch to 168 hours and the ARR main story completed. This means we currently cannot project what the 1, 2, and 3 star stats will be. So was asked to do this video and im always happy to oblige. But for combat roles, they replaced cross class stuff, and any need for leveling another combat class, with the role moves. 6CP is like a fourth of a durability, so could be reinvested to get that stack). The jump in min stats has been consistent enough that it's not hard to predict them. The point is though, that dismissing skills based on cp efficiency alone is sort of disregarding one of the main strengths to XIV's crafting system - trade-offs. In order for Hasty Touch to catch up, it has to do 3 more successful steps which cost 30 Durability. Regarding Ingenuity, the level modifier has been confirmed removed in the current builds, from reversing the screenshot values in the preliminary patch notes to actual math, and calculating the stats on the sample character used. As far as CP efficiency goes, there is no good reason to speculate on this as we simply lack data. As a result, their conclusions are misleading. Whistle system, on the other hand, is penalized by reduced condition rates at 70-stars. Stormblood has significantly changed the crafting formulae for progress and quality. Costs might be the same, or they might not. There you have it, you can apply this method to lower level recipes, just remove Ingenuity II, so you only need 56 CP for the end. the new traits which boost basic and rapid synth. From all possible step transitions we consider only the ones that are Normal condition to something else. (previous page) () nobody likes MaMa but it is the easiest foolproof rotation when gearing up at this point. Ingenuity is literally the only way to remove quality penalty imposed by level difference, therefore it’s irreplacable when crafting recipes above your level. Thus, Ingenuity II gives only a small additional boost which can not be justified by extra 8 CP. It means that we encounter about 6-7 Good conditions over 60+ steps, which is just enough to bring the Whistle stack down and restore Durability with Nymeia’s Wheel. No hq mats required or food/teas if you have lower stats and rotation not enough use hq mats Rotation 40/80 durability Muscle memory Comfort … The annoying part is anticipating arbitrary variations SE have in mind plus how the difficulty of the craft will change. After IQ reaches 11. is moot as all the relevant crafts will be specialist-only. I have 520 cp, and I can make 3 crafts in the time this bot is spamming flawles synthesis. I expect in future sets we'll aim more for craftsmanship for ease of melds, but having a high control stat at the moment isn't too bad because recipes haven't scaled too much at this point. Pages in category "Removed Action" The following 200 pages are in this category, out of 417 total. Delicate is still useful, just not as much for high level recipes. Fortunately, we have reimplemented several core algorithms and managed to optimize Crafting Solver more than 20 times. According to the table we posted earlier: Crafter level 70 converts to hidden level 290. Also, it does not change rate of Excellent at all. It can be combined with Piece by Piece to fill the progress bar almost to completion, and also retrieve used CP by utilizing several Comfort Zone cycles. My GSM can use CS, CS2, Ingenuity, Ingenuity 2, and Comfort Zone. The only way to find them is to collect many data samples at different levels with different stats, and then use clustering and regression methods to deduce the formulas. The pyramids demonstrate the ingenuity of the ancient Egyptians. All credits to original thread author (whom I shall not name). The ingenuity stuff is really the only fair point, but even then IG2 being 8cp more is still useful in that it affords you the opportunity progress-wise, to drop a step without needing VI overmelds (at 1648 comp I wanna say). Lost Actions. [Redacted] is now capable of using all new Stormblood abilities. Not to defend MaMa, just... What am I doing with my life? 6377 difficulty results in 64 stacks of Maker’s Mark, which is enough to restore all CP spent on Piece by Piece. This is how progress and quality are affected by level difference. Please don't tempt fate, the materia melding fail sound haunts me, That's my worry too. 4star items are so high above you that ING2 has very little effect. Ingenuity II (Level 50) - Lowers recipe level three below current level for the next five steps. Ehh. The stat modifier is left alone, as is the base formula. ie. [Redacted] keeps a full database of hidden levels and is able to identify them correctly. Here we see that the starred iLevel 55 recipe suffers from the 5 level penalty and only gets 75% of the base quality increase as well very low progress gains; this is removed after using Ingenuity, which makes it incredibly good for starred recipes if you can work it into your chain. Sadly the bot will keep working while I'm sleeping though. It's impossible to validate how this will go if costs do change, or for the new skills, since the new values are unknown. Starting from level 61, [redacted] will be able to use Hasty Touch II in combination with Reclaim, but in this case it must account for additional CP that is needed to fail the synthesis. Otherwise, you invest more than you receive. For the sake of clarity we shall omit certain exceptions, but keep in mind that some recipes may match by their recipe level but differ by hidden level. Starting Quests: None Forgotten, None Forsaken Starting NPC & Location: Galiena in Rhalgr’s Reach (X:9.8 Y:12.5) Prerequisite MSQ: Return of the Bull Prerequisite: Unlock Stormblood Collectibles.. I'm also a little curious about your prudent touch calculations, in that you don't compare it to hasty touch? These mods are based on recipe level, not individual recipes. And even the penalty of losing IQ is not very bad, because reusing Patient Touch after failure quickly compensates for the temporary loss. Not a lot to say, Manipulation II is a plain boost to HQ rate. Because of faster IQ stack growth made available by Patient Touch, the optimal Whistle rotation now includes 2 usages of Trained Hand: During normal IQ stack growth, whenever it meets Whistle. But we are still left with 40/70 Durability in the end. 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